Luo Binghe is intrigued. "I haven't met anyone else here who comes from a world with demons—except Crowley, of course.¹ It startled me at first to be talked about as though I am mythical, and not in flattering terms either. What is a jotun?" He keeps the flame still so Magnus can look closely. Since it is a dream flame, it won't burn.

¹Because they're from the same world and Crowley is his ancestor.